After the banzuke meeting, held earlier today, the Juryo promotions were announced. As expected, there are three. Two are making their sekitori debuts: Kayo (Ms1w, 5-2) from Nishonoseki-beya, and Nabatame (Ms2w, 5-2) from Futagoyama-beya. Returning to Juryo after an injury-related demotion is the third-division champion, Fujiseiun (Ms11e, 7-0) from Fujishima-beya. With limited openings in Juryo, four rikishi who had winning records in the Ms1-Ms5 promotion zone missed out, led by Ms3e Kiryuko (5-2), whose rank and record would normally guarantee promotion.
While the corresponding demotions are not announced, we can infer that they are J13w Chiyomaru (4-11), J13e Oshoumi (5-10), and J14w Kazekeno (7-8). Fan favorite Chiyomaru was a sekitori for over a decade before falling to Makushita in March and mounting an immediate comeback that sadly lasted only one basho. Oshoumi’s first stint in Juryo ends after 3 basho, while Kazekeno’s sekitori debut after his Makushita yusho in March was even more short-lived.
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Wanted to know how other 7-0 Makushita yusho winners like Kazekeno fared in Juryo.
Do U have any idea why this query doesn’t even show him?
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=7&form1_losses=0&form1_ms=on&form2_j=on&offset=150
Thanks.
It doesn’t have Satorufuji or Wakatakakage, either. To speed up queries, sometimes reports run from pre-processed tables in a data warehouse. The relevant table might not have been updated since last year. I’m not receiving current results for other queries.
Just put in Ms at rank. Don’t know why, but I guess some flag wasn’t updated.
https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=Ms&form1_wins=7&form2_rank=J&offset=250
Try the search without 0 losses. Just do the search with 7 wins. Sometimes this kind of small modification does the trick.
If you don’t use the checkbox, but just put Ms and J in rank it works.
https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=Ms&form1_wins=7&form2_rank=J&offset=250
U‘re both right, Andy and Askoj, thanks again.
The combination with zero losses seems to work only until 2023.09 (though with for instance three losses the results are complete!).
Fun facts: Seven wins in Makushita didn’t always mean zero losses. And among the rikishi who were promoted to Juryo with 7-0 and fell back to Makushita after only one tournament belong Ryuden, Churanoumi and even Wakamotoharu.
It’s a known database issue that requires periodic manual intervention by Doitsuyama. I’ve put in another request for it now.
The problem is that the win and loss fields start out empty (nil or equivalent), not with zero values. For rikishi who go 7-0 or 0-7 / 0-0-7, these empty values are never overwritten with any numerical values during the basho, but the query feature only matches on zero, not on empty.
Ah, the old nil is not equal zero IT-problem!
Had to fight with that more than once in my time.
Thank U very much for the explanation.
A lot of the time the 7-0 guys are coming up from lower in the division, without having to fight it out in the Makushita meatgrinder, so it’s not surprising some of them fall back (of course, one would have to compare their success rate to those of “conventional” Juryo promotees from Ms1-Ms5).
What exactly do you mean, “seven wins in Makushita doesn’t always mean zero losses?” In the Makushita division and below, wrestlers only fight seven matches as opposed to the sekitori who fight fifteen. Were you perhaps referring to potential Playoff losses?
No, no playoffs, but history.
It seems that until Natsu 1960 there were eight rounds in Makushita and even earlier even more:
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=7&form1_losses=%3E0&form1_ms=on&offset=250
Also, for scheduling reasons, sometimes wrestlers end up fighting an 8th bout, though not the 7 win guys: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_wins=3&form1_losses=5&form1_year=2004-now&form1_ms=on
I think I read somewhere about the occassional eighth bout. I was wondering, though, what circumstances its usually fought under, and how often it happens.
It’s a little hard to do that query, but looks like maybe a couple of times a year? It’s often a 2-5 upper makushita guy who gets a day 15 bout in juryo because there’s an odd number and someone there needs an opponent…
U’re right Iksumo, I guess it‘s impossible to make one single query. Therefore I quickly made one for each possibility.
Here are the results for the 21st century: only once a 5-3, eighteen times 3-5 and 2-6 each and even five times 1-7, which gives us a total of 42 for 147 bashos (I hope I got those last two numbers right, they are not the result of a query but of my head…).
An 8th bout for a makushita rikishi occurs when a sekitori withdraws from the tournament on Day 14, because that leaves a single hole in the Day 15 schedule, which cannot be filled in any other way since all rikishi have already been assigned for their regular number of matches at that point.
So 2 new mawashis to be loomed! Little old mawashi maker needs to get cracking! On unrelated note for Andy on Sumo&Sushi event upcoming in June in DC, seeing that the date is imminent to announce. We would all love to see video of you go up against a rikishi in one of the 6 audience participation slots!!! We should start fund to hire professional videographer to capture you hopeful v2 battle on the dohyo!!!😁
I saw a special on the shimekomi maker and wondered if there is anyone waiting in the wings to take on the job if he retires. What would they do without him? May he live long and prosper.
I bought a beautiful woodblock print from a company in Japan and they wrote me about how important and difficult it was to preserve these traditional handmade art forms these days. I had no idea how extremely time-consuming it is to produce the mulberry paper that is used for the woodblock prints, for example.
Enjoying Nabatame’s promotion and his interview in which he said he’d already forgotten how to speak after one day settling into his new room – as if!😆
But so sad watching Ishiura’s Danpatsu. A great event and fun to see Enho and Hakuoho getting fully involved but Hakuho looked awful. It must have been agony seeing his first deshi, who he so proudly showed off in Mongolia, having his topknot cut off by Isegahama. He looked broken to me.
I keep thinking of a video of him chatting with Gagamaru saying how wonderful life was and how great the chanko tasted. How quickly things change. I’m not sure I will ever understand the Japanese.